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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 2, 2012 16:11:09 GMT -5
in this short post i would like to address an unfortunate event that me and a friend were present in. about three months ago, a friend of mine introduced me to the famous (or shall i say infamous?) revolutionary forum revleft. In my second day we got into an unpleasant argument with other members about the situation in Israel. My friend and I insisted that Israel has as much right to exist as Palestine, while the other members claimed that Israel had to be eliminated, and some even suggested the Jews will be deported back to Europe. i was quite amazed that such statements will be posted on a site like revleft, but my friend told me later, that he had suspicions that the site was antisemitic after his Jewish leftists group was shut down with no reason. When i woke up the next morning i was amazed to see that me and my friend was banned for a generic reason. I will continue to update on this hopefully, and i hope that in this forum things would be diffrent -ComradeToaster *please note that I am not a neo zionist and i don't approve of the actions of israel in palestine Update 1 If you will take a look at this picture, you could see that some members even deny the existance of the jewish people! Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Post by marxist87 on Oct 3, 2012 12:58:18 GMT -5
I completely disagree with you on the question of Israel. Israel is a fundamentally racist, expansionist state and has no more right to exist than the Indian state in the north east. The Israeli state has to be eliminated or at least severely weakened and shrunk in order to achieve Palestinian national liberation. But not applying class analysis to the Jewish population in Israel, and claiming their wholesale deportation, is un-Marxist. Also, welcome to the board.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 3, 2012 16:36:24 GMT -5
if you didn't noitce this postcis not about israel, it is about antisemitism in a major site. if i wanted to talk about israel i would have opend a post about israel
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Post by Dawn of the Red on Oct 6, 2012 15:04:21 GMT -5
Welcome to the board! I won't comment on Revleft's policies, but for many of the dominant political positions there, I find that forum quite ridiculous. Hope you enjoy your stay here.
As for my political position on Palestine, I agree with Marxist87.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 7, 2012 3:03:38 GMT -5
the situation in palestine is twisted, both of the sides in the conflict are manipulating the truth and i don't support any of them, but i think that a hamas regime would be much worse then israel could ever be
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Post by public on Oct 9, 2012 21:13:12 GMT -5
Anti-zionism does not equate to anti-semitism. You are distorting the intended message of the post that you linked to. You need stronger evidence to prove that 1) a current of anti-semitism saturates the message board and 2) the current is supported by members of the moderator staff. Please do not lie and fabricate a narrative that serves your personal vendetta against the RevLeft.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 10, 2012 10:24:06 GMT -5
eexcuse me, but if someone claims that the "jewish people" is a zionist plot he is anti semite, and if someone says that israel doesn't have a right to exist and palestine does he is definetly antisemite, and as i said, i will update this post with more evidence
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Post by public on Oct 10, 2012 17:34:32 GMT -5
It would be better if you simply added to the thread instead of constantly updating the original post so that anyone who reads this thread can see how you lied and back-peddled in detail at every step.
Stating that Israel doesn't have the right to exist isn't anti-semitic. Israel has no right to exist, that's just a fact. If you're going to argue for nationalism, then please have some human decency and stop spreading libel against those who are not nationalists like yourself.
As for the "Jews will be deported back to Europe," it's a well known fact that the majority of settlers (an illegal activity under international law because it is colonization) are only in the Palestine territory because they are economically rewarded by the government. If there were better economic situations available to these settlers, then the overwhelming majority of them would happily leave. That's not quite the same as deportation. Many of these economic settlers aren't even Jews, but Russian immigrants held in contempt by the upper and middle class Israelis.
Lastly, the post that you screen-shot contained a good point about Israel and their genetics research. Many Jews an Arabs share a similar genetic lineage. The contemporary view of human ancestry states that all human beings originate from Africa and Asia. The "Jewish people" are a myth, in the same since that "native Britains" are a myth created by racialists. During the Ice Age the British Isles were not inhabited by humans, and they migrated into the region afterwards.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 11, 2012 6:27:47 GMT -5
wow, i can't belive you actually said all of that, and also called me a nationalist. if you say the arabs deserve another country but the jews don't you are antisemite, and also you demonstrated complete lack of knoledge about the settlers situatuion in your post, and all you do is liying and spreading hate so please, stop
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Post by public on Oct 11, 2012 10:52:40 GMT -5
You don't believe what I said because you're too weak and naive to understand anything outside of Israeli state propaganda? Thank you for our maniacal reaction. No one "deserves" a country. Communism is a state-less society, and communists want communism. You are a troll, and this is libel. It's clear why you were ban from RevLeft. You're not a communist or a Marxist-Leninist and I don't see you lasting very long on any left-wing forum.
No one here is an anti-semite except you. Your desperate clinging to imperialism endangers Israel's long-term survival, and you're inability to look for alternative information shows a complete disregard for reason.
Any action taken by the Palestinians to eject Israeli settlers is morally upright and materially necessary.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 11, 2012 13:11:39 GMT -5
you are rediculos, by dening israeli self determination you betray leninist ideals and by justifying force relocation of population you support tyranical ideals, you should definetly be banned
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Post by public on Oct 11, 2012 13:43:09 GMT -5
It would be nice if these ideological nationalists used a higher quality of grammar and spelling. If they can't be trusted to spell properly, then how can we trust them to use logic well?
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 11, 2012 13:52:32 GMT -5
all hail the grammer nazi! my guess is that you saw how stupid your arguments are so you started nitpicking about your opponents grammer and spelling, i can't take you seriously anymore
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Post by public on Oct 11, 2012 13:54:57 GMT -5
Who ever took you seriously?
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 11, 2012 14:08:07 GMT -5
the quality of your posts is going downhill, if you are going to troll, please put some effort into it, don't make a fool of yourself for nothing
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Post by public on Oct 11, 2012 17:43:15 GMT -5
I can only respond to your position if you present actual content in your posts. Perhaps if you want some effort then you should say something worth responding to.
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Post by Dawn of the Red on Oct 15, 2012 13:07:28 GMT -5
You don't believe what I said because you're too weak and naive to understand anything outside of Israeli state propaganda? Thank you for our maniacal reaction. No one "deserves" a country. Communism is a state-less society, and communists want communism. You are a troll, and this is libel. It's clear why you were ban from RevLeft. You're not a communist or a Marxist-Leninist and I don't see you lasting very long on any left-wing forum. No one here is an anti-semite except you. Your desperate clinging to imperialism endangers Israel's long-term survival, and you're inability to look for alternative information shows a complete disregard for reason. Any action taken by the Palestinians to eject Israeli settlers is morally upright and materially necessary. Please have your debate without the personal attacks. Also, ideological persuasion is far more fruitful than alienation.
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Post by Dawn of the Red on Oct 15, 2012 13:15:02 GMT -5
Both of you; public and comradetoaster, I would like to see you re-engage in a proper debate without hurling offensive one-liners at each other.
An interesting point is, though as communists we stand for the right of a person to reside anywhere in the world, that does not include the right to forcefully evict others.
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Post by public on Oct 15, 2012 22:51:36 GMT -5
I'm sure we can avoid ad hominem attacks for the purpose of civil discourse.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 16, 2012 10:52:01 GMT -5
this topic is not the place for an argument about the situation in palestine, so if you want to have this discussion open a new thread about it and then i could take you more seriously
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