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Post by returnofthered on Oct 28, 2012 16:24:30 GMT -5
I completely disagree with you on the question of Israel. Israel is a fundamentally racist, expansionist state and has no more right to exist than the Indian state in the north east. The Israeli state has to be eliminated or at least severely weakened and shrunk in order to achieve Palestinian national liberation. But not applying class analysis to the Jewish population in Israel, and claiming their wholesale deportation, is un-Marxist. Also, welcome to the board. I fully agree with this post.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 31, 2012 10:32:43 GMT -5
ok i had enough with this nosense, 1) israel is by no means racist, anyone can become an israeli citizen and there are no racist laws (maybe in the future) 2) israel is not expansionist, if it was it would not have give up huge parts of its territories and force evac of jewish settlements in the west bank. 3)Israel has as much right to exist as any other country, and even more then some of them, as a communist i belive that every ethnic group has a right to self determination, saying that israel should be destroyed basicly denies Jewish self determination, and by that you say that either Jews don't deserve self determination because they are infirior to other races or that they are not an ethnic group. both statements are extremly racist and if you can't understand that i don't think you shoukld be here. also, by saying that israel should be shrunk in size you say that you should put huge groups of jewish population under a hostile and moralless regime that would probably massacre them all. israel was built by jewish workers and is the largest jewish community in the world, its destruction would mean a second holocust and a horrible mistake in human history and evey leftists that supports this is a traitor to socialist ideals.
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Post by comradetoaster on Oct 31, 2012 10:39:33 GMT -5
Also, Israel is the only home for the jewish people. arabs have enough countries and they don't need another one. it is quite clear that the only point of this conflict is to wipe israel and the jews from the map and untill the palestinians will have a legitimate leadership there is no way they will get a country, you guys should fight aginst the crimes Hamas commits in the gaza strip and not the hardly oppressive occupation in the west bank
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Post by marxist87 on Nov 3, 2012 10:43:20 GMT -5
Also, Israel is the only home for the jewish people. arabs have enough countries and they don't need another one. Oh nice. Whites have got more countries than Arabs. Why doesn't Israel try to move into one of those? Just like the hardly oppressive European colonizers were waiting for the African people to have a legitimate leadership?
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Post by comradetoaster on Nov 3, 2012 13:00:50 GMT -5
excuse me, jews lived in those "white countries" and in arab countries for centuries and were kicked out of them, now you are telling them to come back? and the maps you showed here are not accurate and even flat out fabricated, the term "palestinian" only appeared in the 70's as a plot to destroy israel (their leaders said so themselves, you can search the video if you don't belive me). and the Hamas organization is an islamic exteremist organization that its sole purpose is to kill all jews and they commit horrible crimes aginst minorities in the gaza strip so yeah, they are not legitimate.
so until you get any arguments to counter the above please don't troll here
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Post by comradetoaster on Nov 4, 2012 11:01:27 GMT -5
you also seems to think that all jews are white. in that case i can assume you never met any jews and all of your knowlesge about them is steryotypical
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Post by oyoyooyyoyoy on Nov 24, 2012 14:26:37 GMT -5
i know it might be pointless, but i would like to contribute. i'm an arab jew, my family is from morocco, and i go to israel all the time. i'm an anarchist by the way. i feel that the left is generally misinformed, and of course i'm biased for israel. but here are some random points that i'd like to contribute:
- not all israelis originate in europe -my dad is a blind zionist, and i have to live with his stupid justifications all day - i am anti-imperialist too. but the situation is different this isn't like colonialism in the americas i think it's drenched in so much history and religion and the jews were so persecuted in the past that now they feel they're entitled to their own country -ideally of course, there would be no state and any person of any religion could live there. but realisically that will never happen, and all i want in the present is a massive change in the attitudes and actions of the israeli state -maybe jerusalem should be an international sanctuary -the state should go towards secularism at least -israel is currently "owned" and "influenced" by ten families of billionaires, who make contracts with the state and i believe make life difficult and expensive for young and working class israelis.
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Post by marxist87 on Nov 25, 2012 11:52:58 GMT -5
excuse me, jews lived in those "white countries" and in arab countries for centuries and were kicked out of them, now you are telling them to come back? and the maps you showed here are not accurate and even flat out fabricated, the term "palestinian" only appeared in the 70's as a plot to destroy israel (their leaders said so themselves, you can search the video if you don't belive me). and the Hamas organization is an islamic exteremist organization that its sole purpose is to kill all jews and they commit horrible crimes aginst minorities in the gaza strip so yeah, they are not legitimate. so until you get any arguments to counter the above please don't troll here Yes, yes, and the Israeli murderous regime is very legitimate. Tell that to the dead-babies in Gaza.
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Post by comradetoaster on Dec 12, 2012 14:44:13 GMT -5
pics or it didn't happen marxist87. oyyoyoyoyoyoy, i agree with you, there is no colonialism, since it is only civilian and the govrenment is aginst it.
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Post by comradetoaster on Dec 12, 2012 14:46:39 GMT -5
the pictures Hamas published are recyceld pictures from syria and israel, and even pictures of the horrors they did in gaza themselves
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Post by comradetoaster on Dec 12, 2012 14:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by tand on Dec 21, 2012 14:48:26 GMT -5
Comradetoaster has raised some good points. Looking forward to responses.
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Post by comradetoaster on Dec 23, 2012 12:50:00 GMT -5
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Post by dima on Jul 14, 2013 9:29:13 GMT -5
Whilst I agree with the right to self determination, I do not agree with invading other countries and settling your people there. It's bloody Lebensraum
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